However, during the height of the Barbary slave trade in the 16th and 17th centuries, the Barbary states were subject to Ottoman jurisdiction and ruled by Ottoman pashas. I cannot in any way impugn his credentials, though as to the moral notion of white peoples being the first to abolish slavery, surely you see the problems here. It remains one of humanities greatest crises. That is, when you take possession of a person who has been kidnapped, and you continue to hold that person against their will, or ship them across the sea against their will, then you are kidnapping them. http://hwj.oxfordjournals.org/content/2000/50/1.abstract. The numbers show that they did not. If you had to determine their ethnicity I would urge you to go and look at drawings and sketches from the time period which clearly depict them in different ways than are blacks of that time period. Mahalo! However this genetic typing for ethnicity is not without controversy, as you see here https://dna-explained.com/2013/10/04/ethnicity-results-true-or-not/. But it took until the first years of the 19th Century – and with the help of the US – to fight back against the Barbary Pirates enough to get them to stop. So there is a clear history of race being based on white supremacy. If they’re of a noticeable different physical appearance, then it’s because they’re an inferior breed (whether by evolution, God’s design, sin, whatever). Since all blacks are to blame for the actions of one in a racist system. The Ottoman provinces in North Africa were nominally under Ottoman suzerainty, but in reality they were mostly autonomous. However Davis has several problems in his method. Bernier published his A New Division of the Earth in order to geographically categorize the earth according to the various groups of people which lived in the parts he had visited. The slave also has no rights and no privileges, the master may dispense with his property as he sees fit. The troubling thing about racism is that we tend to know it’s scientifically empty, and yet we continue to employ it at every level of society and to determine the value of every person. To all those who participated in the discussion above– Thank you for valuing education and professionalism above name-calling, anger, and profanity. And being taken as a sex slave in a harem – could that not damage the mind? Anyone can nitpick methodology, so lets hear your figures and more importantly why you believe those figures to be true. https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/features/darfur/fiveyearson/report4.html. There were a small amount of American losses, but the pirates never resumed their foothold over American interests until after the War of 1812. The Ultimate List Of The Year's Worst Scams, Another Disgusting Smear Of Brett Kavanaugh From The Left. It also does not make any sense to claim that the Europeans did not kidnap their slaves since they only kidnapped them second. Can you help me? If Adolf Hitler really was part Jewish as the follow article suggests, then I’m curious what you would call him? Ask them what they think this proves and why they feel the need to use someone, they claim to love, as a tool for their own social gains. Hopefully it is something more than “I don’t have any estimate”, because that would just be a cowardly way out by an individual who wants to have a position on an issue yet pretend they don’t have one. That is, it is a well established fact, go here https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/underground/slvtrade.htm and here http://www.understandingslavery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=369&Itemid=145 to learn more, that White enslavement of Black peoples involved forced labor, rape, and legalized murder. There is no possible moral defense for it. They were worse than the Arabs with their torture of the white slaves. This is echoed by every philosopher and scientist of race all the way up until the mid 20th century. In the Mediterranean, towers were built to watch out for the corsairs. The United States fought two wars against the Barbary States of North Africa: the First Barbary War of 1801–1805 and the Second Barbary War, 1815 – 1816. Furthermore, many slaves captured by the Barbary corsairs were sold eastward into Ottoman territories before, during, and after Barbary’s period of Ottoman rule. Slaves in Barbary could be black, brown or white, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Jewish or Muslim. So the American slave owners were not uniquely evil parasites – they did what humans do, and what humans have always done, and what humans will do again if it’s easiest way to make a buck. These savage abductions were being carried out by Barbary pirates or Corsairs, i.e., the Turks. Raided European and U.S. ships, took property and enslaving sailors. I suppose in one sense you are correct. If you look at the profiles of European and American slavery from the 16th and 17th century you find that they were driven by an economic need for free labor in order to make sugar cane plantations profitable. I just stumbled across this article during a caffeine induced, tangent-filled, research project that is completely unrelated to the subject matter discussed above. The North African pirates had been a menace for so long that by the late 1700s most nations paid tribute to ensure that merchant shipping could proceed without being violently attacked. So what is the ambitious slave owner to do? If slavery pops up in times of anarchy and chaos then slavery is something which the poor and desperate do to the weak. One of those assets is whiteness, though of course not always as black people have also succeeded. In fact if his followers had thought he was Jewish they most likely would have treated him in the same fashion that they were treating all the Jews during the Holocaust. The slave has no legal representation, as property cannot be represented on its own behalf but only on behalf of an interested third party. Anyways according to this article here, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/10/20040310-115506-8528r/ and also here http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm Professor Davis found, using some new methods which he apparently invented, that between 1 and 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved from about 1500-1800, give or take 50 years. This does not excuse what they did, as it was still evil, but as I said at the beginning, you misunderstood the scope of this article. Forgotten in the current narrative is the story of the Barbary slave trade, where up to 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved by Barbary pirates – in North Africa. It is an admirable and necessary first step towards reconciliation and reparations, but on its own it rings hollow. I know it’s Wikipedia but the sources are sound. First, my thesis was in fact not what you have stated here. – :”beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. The Barbary pirates, who had been marauding off the coast of Africa for centuries, encountered a new enemy in the early 19th century: the young United States Navy. They gained political significance during the 16th century, when Barbarossa united Algeria … While this might seem like “race-based” slavery, that’s simply not the case, as the site ancient-origins.net points out. The European slavers kept thorough records, how else could you figure out how much money you were going to make on your cargo?). It is a fallacy of the red herring since even if your statement is true it in no way invalidates the well researched history of European enslavement of Africans. The real problem is that Davis does not know something, and so he uses bad history, bad science, and bad logic. But the bulk of your comments seems directed at somehow proving that Muslims are evil…because they are Muslims and are thus inherently wicked. He’s going to find people that no one cares about. He is both a well respected scholar and also a rather famous conservative. Ottoman Corsairs. Indentured servants were also contracted for periods of years in a temporary business arrangement, it was not the case with the permanent slavery of Black bodies. family history has been passed down that a ancestor of ours was captured by the Pirates of Tripoli 1) What Causes Slavery – slavery is an employment arrangement that exists when people live in low population densities. (that distinction belongs more or less to Francois Bernier http://hwj.oxfordjournals.org/content/2000/50/1.abstract), Besides Ibn Khaldun had rather conflicting views on Africans, and even the quote explains that this applies only to the non civilized (aka non-Muslim) Africans. Over the course of four centuries, the Atlantic slave trade was much larger – about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas. Bushrod Washington is a political commentator and has over 15 years of journalism experience. Insofar as America today, is a country which was built by slaves and maintained through slave labor and which profited from the work of those slaves, the death and treaties of the first peoples and the systemic racism and sexism which made it strong…then yes you and me and all Americans are responsible for this. It happened all over the world. Many of the slaves captured by the pirates died on the ships, assigned to man the oars of galleys, shackled where they sat, they ate, slept and defecated where they were. My apologies for being almost three years late to this party. The easy go-to here is how Nazi Germany had pushed most of its social institutions in justifying the holocaust. Your comment does not seem to dispute this, instead you seem to have committed a number of logical fallacies. It kind of got unofficially decided in 2004 or so, simply because no countries allow it officially anymore. This was not something done in desperate economic times, it was something done in booming economic times. Tunis was similarly invaded by France in 1881. Davis writes in several places that his agenda is to educate the world on the reality of the slave trade. But from 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to Davis. This scenario also points out exactly what is flawed with this kind of socially relativistic thinking. Which, if the culture at large thinks they are black then they gain no benefits. What actually matters is NOT the motivation of the slavers, it’s the degree to which they damaged the minds, and bodies of their victims. I stumbled upon your article while researching the Barbary Slave Trade. They were called the Black Guard. But I see you making an appeal to the people, also a logical fallacy. “One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature,” said historian Robert Davis, author of Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy. You could consider the case of Serena Williams, and the ways in which her supposed “natural” athletic prowess is often blamed for her success, rather than any skill on her part which may have been honed by hours of practice. I do not know what your answer to these questions might be as you seem to think I have some position on this which I am keeping hidden. However the pirates remained free to enslave Africans as much as they liked. For the Barbary empire was run on slavery: piracy was a profitable business and, in the early years, oar-power was the easiest way to achieve success. Specifically he wants people to know that slavery predated racism (which is something people know since the Romans enslaved people of all colors and creeds, even other Romans). The Barbary Pirates were certainly immoral individuals, and whether they themselves were racist or not does not make them good people. I have had some success in using familysearch.org and ancestry.com, but beyond that I don’t think I can offer you too much assistance. In response to (2) there are a few things here so I want to take them one by one. No, there are many “problems” here, but let me just start with the problems you point out. “Blacks are racist too.” You might show them them this article. Men, women and children were captured to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were completely abandoned. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Racism, You might also see how this is explained and defended here, http://www.answering-christianity.com/muhammad_not_racist.htm, As to your final points about the treatment of male slaves who were castrated or sexually assaulted in harems. All I’d have to do is sneak into his house at night, or maybe kill 2 or 3 hench-men who barely have an inch of height or 20 lbs of muscle on me so I can get to the Man. http://thirdresurrection.blogspot.com/2006/02/ibn-khaldun-on-african-blacks.html. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline. (for that information you need to look at his article on the BBC as all of the other articles are vague on how he comes up with his initial number). And the corsairs were not only Muslim; English privateers and Dutch captains also exploited the changing loyalties of an era in which friends could become enemies and … For the longest time I had simply ignored this statement as I was unsure what it was supposed to prove. Between the 1500s and up until the mid-1800s, hundreds of Cornish families were captured in brutal attacks. Slaves in Barbary could be black, brown or white, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Jewish or Muslim. To have succeeded in life is only possible because you had a great deal of help, and because you continue to have a great deal of help. Now if you are simply generalizing about Islam, then this statement is problematic enough, but I won’t go and speculate about the lengths to which religious extremists go to make their points, that was never my goal. Everyone posses the capability to do great or terrible things. In Zanzibar, white people were sold as slaves as late as the last quarter of 19th. Now let me say secondly…did you actually read my article? As to the racism of the Janjaweed Militia, you should probably read up on them, the situation is more complex, and is based on ethnicity as well as resource allocations and old feuds, it is not (as you imply) because of Islam. (this information is based on actual historical records of the cargoes of slave ships and census data taken from plantations, in case you were curious. Those captured were shipped in inhumane conditions and were brought to the pirate’s hometown, where they were sold off as slaves. But that is not true…”This sounds both obvious and also strangely political. Throughout my studies, I cannot honestly recall seeing a more well versed and professional debate taking place in any forum, on any topic, outside of the comment section of your article. They frequently eat each other. It is not enough for the thief to vow never to steal again, they must also repay what they took. As to the common saying that “Allah had punished the black people by making them black, a sign that they were born to become slaves.” I would still appreciate a quote or a link to your source for this common saying, because it is again somewhat complex. Janus since you are an expert on the Barbary Slave Trade — how many European slaves do you estimate were owned by black muslim north africans during the aforementioned centuries? I haven't abandoned my upbringing because you never lose the past, but I have moved away from it into something more liberal. I’m not saying that historical Europeans and Americans are not responsible but just not more so than people of colour. The higher the population relative to the number of available jobs, the more brutal and sadistic employment will be. On the other hand if you mean to point out that small fraction of Europeans who were more or less forced into indentured servitude, then you should read this article. Which is a shame since if you check out this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah you get a much more well rounded view. Individuals not societies should be held accountable. The simple answer is no, since race is a system of power and privilege predicated on the presumption of whiteness. In one sense this seems true since there was a definite, measurable, political, and violent backlash against the now free Blacks in former slave states. 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