All in all, I’d err on the side of having more energy dumped into a target in the same penetration (and those studies floating around on handgun lethality back this up).
This is because the .38 Special can handle much greater bullet weights than the .380, which is limited by case size to about 100 grains maximum weight. A 4” barreled .357 Mag will possess an OAL significantly longer than a subcompact 9mm pistol, and generally produce identical terminal performance. All depends on where my aim needs to be for my cartridge of choice and distance range. POI shifts dramatically between loads. Normally, a loss of this magnitude wouldn’t be all that critical for a handgun round, but in the case of the .38 Special fired from a 2” revolver, that loss can move the bullet out of its “performance envelope” and rob the bullet of the minimum energy needed to perform as its designed. What a great article, a lot of information, put forth in a great format.
All representatives employed by Delta Defense, LLC. Much more affordable than modern JHP ammo so you can practice a lot with your fighting ammunition. Good show with helping the shooter pick a load that works, NOT one that is simply the best from a gun magazine page advertisement.
Airgun Pellet Penetration. Logistics. Load your gun’s cylinder with wadcutters for carry, but choose a load with a more friendly ogive for your speedloader or ammunition strip. It seems to confirm what I’ve thought for some time. Huge sigh. You are by now familiar with the concept of the Ballistics Coefficient (BC). .357 SIG demonstrates nearly identical expansion as hotter .357 Mag or 9mm loads, but uses that extra energy in driving the bullet deeper into the gel. Not necessarily. Truth be told, he used more “colorful” language than I’m using ….. so that’s how I knew he didn’t think highly of my choice.
Right now, along with some of the other guys from the Lucky Gunner team, I am preparing for another round of our, In the meantime, today I want to give a little background on just one of the rounds that we’re going to be testing and that is the, self-defense ammo ballistic gelatin testing, Cruiser Ready: How to Store a Home Defense Shotgun [2020 Update]. So I apologize in advance if we’re a little light on content, but we’ve got some really interesting stuff in the works and it is definitely going to be worth the wait. A round was NOT excluded if it failed to meet the 150% expansion diameter desired; if it appeared to expand to (or close to) its design limits, it is included, and the audience can conclude if that’s ‘enough’ expansion. Which resulted in going home with two wrist-wraps, and the knowledge that I ain’t capable of shooting a “real” gun. RWS Superdome) have a bit less penetration than a true round nose design (JSB Exacts, Crosman Premiers, H&N Baracudas). In that case their vehicle is their deadly weapon and I would be legally justified to shoot them through their windshield or door. Those are all JSB Exacts, of different weights. $50 spent at your gunsmith can make your life easier. Just to add to the chorus of praise, excellent article, Mike! I’ve tried .40 S&W in several platforms, and since wandered away. FMJ target. I am a numbers guy and Anner’s numerical analysis confirms my observations about caliber effectiveness. Get the bullet to the heart, to the lungs, or into the brain (through the face, generally) and you will generally win another day on planet Earth. The catch is that most snub nose revolvers have fixed sights and sometimes wadcutters are going to hit a few inches higher or lower than what the sights are regulated for. They struggle to reach a depth of 10 inches in bare gelatin, particularly if any bullet expansion occurs, because they lack the energy to overcome the drag created by the expanding projectile. For all we know, the higher velocities of .357 Magnum may just stretch human tissues farther and cause more soreness hours after the wound without increasing incapacitating trauma.
As an aside, I have “Chicago Loads” in my speed loaders. Velocity of current manufacture Winchester Super-X Mid-Range 148-grain Wadcutter target loads is a mere 710 feet per second. The typical, low power, soft lead, target load does around 600-700 fps out of a snubby revolver, and penetrates around 16 inches in bare, calibrated gelatin. how close does that 110 grain Hornady load hit to your sights? The 380 is a LCP 2 using Hornady Critical Defense. I would recommend watching his presentation. As you pointed out, they do pretty much everything you could want (except expand, or course) and they have the added benefit, at least in the Lucky Gunner test, of maintaining very consistent performance out of different barrel lengths if that is relevant for someone. I suspect that swaged lead .38 special wad cutters would not penetrate his meat test much, & even cast wad cutters would do little better. Thanks LB! And, obviously it only works in one direction: bringing the POI up. This month, HAM Technical Editor Bob Sterne talks about airgun pellet penetration. Mr. Gonzales can speak to that—I’m an mildly practiced handgun shooter at best.
Before I retired, I was professionally involved in law enforcement ammunition testing and selection, and routinely had access to LEO shooting reports which at that time were generally not made available to the general public. I’m fine in my old fart retirement carrying a compact 9mm loaded with 124 grain HST’s, and to be honest, would merrily carry them on patrol if I was ever placed in that position again. I know you’re a responsible shooter and value safety like we do. It’s certainly a consideration, but not the focus of this analysis. A lot of guys that load their carry gun with wadcutters will use something different for their reload, like a speed strip with Gold Dots, for example.
Major sigh. 3. .45ACP ruled the roost here, with an impressive 2.5x the displaced volume of .380 ACP. What happens to all that extra energy? Internet buzz suggested this load may be a good candidate for personal defense because the bullet … “You be the judge.”. The purpose of this data comparison is to compare the terminal ballistics of various calibers fired through concealable handguns. What is different is the violence in the penetration. 1. Units: Weight (Wt) in grains, muzzle velocity (MV) in ft/sec, muzzle energy (ME) in ft-lbs, Penetration in inches of Clear Ballistics Gel after 4LD (4-layer denim), Expansion in inches, Volume in square inches as a product of the ‘cylinder’ of penetration and expansion. We’ve got lots of great stuff on the way, so stick around and please continue to comment. I usually shot 97-100 with my duty autos. Not much wonder it isn’t a perfectly straight line when it includes such a variety of shapes! Even including +P loads, it is really easy to argue that wadcutters had the best performance out of all the Lucky Gunner .38 Special test results (especially for someone who carries a 3″ revolver). The wadcutter can’t achieve what they do, with its solid construction and low velocity. The data comp here was narrow in focus by design. Modern powders allow Sundles to load the 150-grain hard cast bullet to a much stouter published velocity figure of 858 feet per second from a 2-inch Model 60 revolver. You get 6 shots instead of 5 shots in small frame cylinders. Talk about a tough critter.
Puts me an inch over or under from 50 to 110 yards or so. 6: GLOCK 42, 3.25” barrel A focus on duty-sized handguns featuring 4-5” barrels. The wadcutter is so named because it was originally designed to be used in target revolvers in “bullseye” shooting competitions. I can remember a time and it was not all that long ago, that the 9mm rounds we actually had available in the U.S. were truly awful. A smooth DA trigger, a legendary cartridge, and the pride of training to employ a classic (if possibly outdated) design…it turned into an emotional drive. The PDF’s far left column identifies those with an “SB” designation. It is not unusual for me to be the only wheel gun shooter. Diana Stormrider Gen 2 Air Rifle Review .22 Caliber, Weihrauch HW100 BP Carbine Test Review .22 Caliber, Brocock Sniper XR Test Review .22 Caliber, New Arrow-Firing PCP Umarex AirSaber Test Review. Your FREE book download is on its way to your inbox. However, think of the mystique surrounding the .357 Mag, particularly with Remington (or Federal, though that’s not represented in Lucky Gunner’s data) 125gr SJHPs. The extra expanding gasses and un-burned powder that escape out of the muzzle never helped accelerate the bullet, and are still shooting forward at extremely high velocities. And I had a great deal of fun in the process. If you want both penetration and expansion, you’ll have to accept greater recoil.
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