That being said, I don't have an addiction but I do feel, now that you bring this up, that I am a codependent. i read an article in which maynard said that he often is in the back of the stage for 2 reasons. When I listen to it, I have a completely different experience that I feel relates to this particular song, but hearing yours makes just as much sense and is just as valid as mine. do you fuckin' cry when some dui asshole's pulled out of his wreckage, in front of the hour and half of backed traffic he created? answer to that.
answer to that. Maynard stands in back of the stage simply so he doesnt have to fight with the guitarists. His back turned to the crowd could be many things which could be debated until someone finds an interview with the right information. ...like writing a great song, in this case.
The version of Pushit on the Salival album may be my single favorite rock song ever. - (jag), "WITHOUT A LITTLE EVIL, GOOD WOULD NEVER EXIST". I think the Maynard quote is what about when you do drugs and something good happens? Don't shut down the party, because you didn't get invited. no, he just assumes people want to take a photo of him, and he doesnt want people taking photos of him . It's like a warning to a codependent or a soon-to-be-codependent. But my soul must be iron cause my fear is naked. His dances are fucking hilarious! So this is just my own interpretation, and I'm wondering if anyone who knows what codependence is/dealt with it or with an addict feels the same. Any thoughts on this angle? Listening to that for the first time was a life-changing experience. Ever jump on stage at a show like that?
i think you're choosing to see this whole thing in one very specific and unlikely light. To me, Pushit seemed to always document an abusive relationship and I never looked at it as necessarily codependent, but I definitely see how your ideas flow with the song. It's possibly worth noting that the 2 guys who created the 12-step program (Bill Wilson and Bob Smith) were said to be very critical of the direction Alcoholics Anonymous had gone years after they had created the 12-step program. When all three are in front some the sounds of the voice gets lost because of the power of the instruments.
Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including family, work, friendship, and also romantic, peer or community relationships.
I have this savior complex too, can't explain it or why. And yeah, abusive relationship would be a more common way of saying.
-Codependency is just like a drug: you need your addict to survive, his/her presence makes you feel alive... even when they bring you down (which happens permanently). I will only complicate you. This Subreddit is dedicated to thoughts spawned by listening/watching the band Tool. We're not in the days where these are the punishments for doing something wrong, stupid or annoying. They just let him stay there on stage the entire time... That's exactly my point! I looked at the 12 traditional steps, but they were related a lot to religion and I got lost reading. how humiliated he must've been ...and it was on COPS last night, i saw it. The fan could have been easily been taken care of by the guards around, without Maynard needed to show his martial arts skills. No one now. -Addicts usually have the tendency to put the blame on the codependent for everything, because they know that they almost never fight back. Its almost as tho the mood of the song demanded that maynard tackle the guy and do what he did. Click here to upload images for this post. in the beginning i said i'm really hoping this was staged. in that situation all you can assume is that there was somebody looking to disrupt evvvvvvvvvvvvverything that was going on then and there. pfft, "not just held but ridden like a donkey"??? He could stop the whole song and bitch and moan to the crowd about what a relative few are doing, take it way too personally and ruin the whole show. he wasn't trying to get from point A to point B on this asshole's back; now who's the "dush"? Also, I agree that it's probably about codependency. So pretty much you are hopeless and helpless.
Bands like Tool get hardcore fans which means some are going to be obsessed in a sick and perverted way. That's the whole thing I"m against here and that's what seems wrong to me about Maynard's reaction [assuming it is authentic and not staged]..That it is more ego-based than based on the justified wish of keeping on with the show and preventing interruption which as i said has much better and plain ways of doing. This is very much like how The Grudge treats the life cycles of a grudge, although he did that in just one song instead of using an entire album. This is one of the things I love so much about Tool songs. Yeah I was thinking the same thing about APC's Thirteenth Step album. We see what is relevant to us I think and it helps us. I always felt this song as a continuation of the ideas and feelings present in both Sober and H. I've always felt like Pushit's placement on the Aenima was a reprise of H. In H, there is also acknowledgment of the relationship being unhealthy or wrong, but he "doesn't mind", ultimately willing to succumb to it. It just occured to me....you guys are thinking too much about something that reall isn't important. It's amazing to see how deep the many layers of each song can go. I learned something, and I learned a bit about myself as well. At least he doesn't pull that shit. For those who don't know what codependency is, here's the definition, pasted from wiki: "Codependency (or codependence, interdependency ) is defined as a psychological condition or a relationship in which a person is controlled or manipulated by another who is affected with a pathological condition (as in an addiction to alcohol or heroin); and in broader terms, it refers to the dependence on the needs of or control of another. At least security didn't get hold of him. I hate when people say things like that. When he is performing in a stadium/center where you might see people taking a lot more pictures, that's when you see him hiding somewhere. do you fuckin' cry when some dui asshole's pulled out of his wreckage, in front of the hour and half of backed traffic he created? Its as though maynard simply never broke character. I have seen many-a-good bands live, but Tool takes the fucking cake of badass concerts. I've been there, we've all been there in some way. How many times can i say this again and again: I don't think they should let the fan stay on stage jumping, hugging, kissing and massaging Maynard's sore back..I wrote plenty of times that of course they should have gotten him off stage but what i'm talking about [and trying to make clear for too many times] is the way it went [again, assuming this wasn't a staged act]. ... Maynard is a dear friend and a great singer and writer. -One of the most powerful parts in a song... ever... and as a codependent, I've lived in fear all these years. She was an addict. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, and as I pull my head out I am without one doubt. Anyone can give me advice/interpretations on me, may help me.
take personal responsibility, but don't overstep it and miss the point. I will find a center in you. well it wasnt like he was beating the shit out of him, it looks like a real restraint.
There's no way i think one of us can feel the other one understands what he's meaning. how humiliated he must've been ...and it was on COPS last night, i saw it. Some songs seem to take on a different persona when live. Pushit (on Salival) may be my favorite song, and I haven't ever quite thought of it this way.
still, only my opinion and i think it's good to share different opinions [especially when i'm asking to hear other opinions and not just ridicule thoughts different than mine. We choose to post and analyze a person actions to find out more about the said person, and grow as a human being.
Throughout the album Maynard uses various metaphors and themes to describe this. Each song takes on a different topic that is related to this. I am just an imbecile. Maynard is saying no one missed Hubbard when he died, and that all he did was spew meaningless rhetoric. Maynard James Keenan In early interviews, he was vocal about his dislike of his stepfather, who may have influenced songs like Prison Sex and Pushit.
In a video just released by the death-with-dignity rights organization Compassion & Choices, Brittany Maynard explains why she will not die tomorrow. Both reactions are appropriate given the context of the performance. Nameless now. ... Pushit. Fuck that fan, ...how dare he fucking nearly ruin the show and the performance, Perhaps if someone randomly fucked with you or attacked you you would just sit there and cry wondering why instead of defending yourself or feeling anger towards them - maybe someone should "wake you up" to reality.
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